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Fri, Mar. 4th, 2005, 11:06 am
Ahh, Lysistrata

It's a clever idea, but somehow I think the Lysistrata solution is not going to work. Most of the women having sex with men who want to limit women's reproductive rights aren't exactly going to get behind this, and it's exactly those men we're trying to reach. Sigh.

Fri, Mar. 4th, 2005 05:21 pm (UTC)
boffo9

I read it and I thought it was funcy junko. Its all yelly and fierce and tough woman and completely useless. I'm sure the author feels better now, and the world, except for those people applauding her rant goes on.

In my humble opinion, I think that the Pro-Choice movement won't get solved until Pro-Choice Conservatives make their voices heard yet again. It has been 25 years since George Bush Senior changed his pitch from Pro-Choice to Pro-Life so he could be Reagan's running mate, not to mention the rise of the Religious Right during the 1980s. However, signs are growing of a movement in conservative circles leaning towards Pro-Choice, especially as the secularists begin to get more control over local Republican groups.

In fact, off the LJ list, I only know a single conservative who is Pro-Life. Since a core concept of modern conservative ideology is that government has no fucking business interfering in your personal affairs, to them abortion laws are just wrong.

Ha ha. One of the reasons why I like my conservative friends is that they all share the same feelings I do about abortion.

Fri, Mar. 4th, 2005 06:53 pm (UTC)
kleenestar

To me the real concern is actually a church vs. state issue. The only reason to be anti-early-term abortions is if you believe that there is a soul, and that's not something that the government should be legislating on. I can totally get behind the "stay out of my personal life" reasoning too, though.

And, yeah, I agree this solution isn't exactly workable. It made me feel better reading it, though, if only because I once more appreciated how wonderful the guy I am fucking is. :)

I do, however, think that it's worthwhile exposing the hidden agenda behind a lot of what's going on. Making people say what they really mean ("Sex for men is about whatever they want; sex for women must be about babies!") can be a really effective political tool!

Fri, Mar. 4th, 2005 07:35 pm (UTC)
boffo9

To me the real concern is actually a church vs. state issue. The only reason to be anti-early-term abortions is if you believe that there is a soul, and that's not something that the government should be legislating on. I can totally get behind the "stay out of my personal life" reasoning too, though.

What is funny is that the Pro-Life Conservative is an atheist. He used to be Pro-Life but changed when his wife became pregnant for the first time. He remains an atheist. I guess it takes all sorts.

...I once more appreciated how wonderful the guy I am fucking is. :)

You engage in pre-marital sex for purposes beyond recreation? The horror! Next you'll tell me you can read and drive! ;)

I do, however, think that it's worthwhile exposing the hidden agenda behind a lot of what's going on. Making people say what they really mean ("Sex for men is about whatever they want; sex for women must be about babies!") can be a really effective political tool!

A fun and in some cases a true statement, but alas, I think all this slogan will do is motivate people already behind the Pro-Choice movement (in the same fashion that all 9/11 did was entrench people who already hated Bush). Unless, of course, a public figure related to the Pro-Life movement says these words, it sadly won't amount to much.